Sunday, November 20, 2016

OPEN LETTER TO SUPERINTENDENT BOB NOBLE, WAGGA POLICE

PROPS AND PIMPS - COSY CAROUSEL FOR CROOKS ?

It is duly noted the GM Mr Alan Eldridge has admitted to intimidation of Mr McLaren and other members of the public at Wagga Airport last week. Mr Eldridge has admitted guilt for this crime by way of a public apology for violent verbal abuse and standover / intimidation as revealed by media photographs and reports. We are reliably informed Wagga Police have in their possession the video footage of this crime committed by the illustrious Elderidge. Kindly advise if this video footage will reliably be retained as court evidence contrary to earlier cases mishandled by Wagga Police where video footage has been lost or damaged or unavailable when subpeoned ?

We appreciate the great difficulty Wagga Police have upholding standards of propriety as expected by the public, but we note the difficulties regarding "accidents" with "evidence" is not the end of your difficulties.

Selective evidence for selective victims ?

It would seem to the public they have received a rather ignoble service from Wagga Police ?

Inside or on the fringes of government and indeed government agencies and auxiliaries, it's the CROOKS that are elevated to the top and the citizens destroyed by contrived criminal records.

Who authorised Mayor Conkey to investigate the Eldridge incident at the airport ? It is standard procedure for Police and not local Councillors to investigate crime. Apparently Councillor Conkey assumed to himself the position of Prosecutor, Judge and Jury ? And there We were with our ever so humble understanding of the practice of law in Wagga Wagga that we should expect an early appearance by Mr Eldridge in the local court !!  But, silly us !

In Wagga Wagga the "PRIVILEDGED CLASS", are EXEMPT from Police charges in cases where they demonstrate a propensity for violence.

Not withstanding the foregoing , the public has expectations, quite rightly, that Justice be seen to be done. Thus, Sir, it behoves us to, in good public conscience, demand that in this case, JUSTICE be done !

In support of our request we supply the following details and examples which with the Wagga Police are FACTUALLY acquainted.

1. The missing, damaged, unavailable video tape from the Victoria Hotel, The Wagga Taxi rank, the Wagga Police cells, the Wagga Base Hospital.

2. Targeted Police harassment of individuals. We always knew policing was political. Perhaps if police were engaged in traditional community policing and not trying to fit people up Roger Rogerson style then the crime rate in Wagga may actually drop. Of course if it's been decreed that the Rogerson method must be used at Wagga, then we say no more.

It appears Eldridge is to escape Police charges for violence at Wagga Airport ? We see that the assiduous efforts of police to create so called criminal records for the general public is nothing more and nothing less than a mission directed at mainly the battler Aussies / aka ordinary citizens. But Heaven forbid that persons of Mr Eldridge's illustrious social stature be demeaned by sharing the same coarse police "justice" as the "UNRESPECTABLE DEPLORABLES" at the lower end of the social ladder.

Missing evidence ? No evidence ? But here we have an individual supposedly of upstanding character flying into a violent rage at Wagga airport. What ? No police charges ?





Sunday, November 13, 2016

LIFE IN THAT 'DEVELOPING REGIONAL CITY' WAGGA WAGGA - A TRUE STORY OF POLICE INACTION

(Contributed).
 Heather was taken hostage some 5 years ago. A mental, emotional and physical
captive. Jesse introduced Heather to the drug ice, in part as a way to
control her through dependence. Heather relied on Jesse for ice supply.
Jesse, himself a sad story, turned depraved individual. Jesse is a victim of
a violent and psychopathic mother - Karen Prowse - and subsequently a victim
of the "help industry mincer". The reality is Jesse is now also a cunning and
extremely  dangerous individual and abuser.

Karen Prowse has also abused and assaulted Heather violently. Karen
manipulates Heather's mind using (in the beginning) Heather's infatuation
with her son Jesse as leverage. Sen Cst Polly Mason remarked one day "do you
know Karen is manipulating Heather"? The family responded with "yes, we have
appealed to all and sundry authorities and agencies and no one will stop her
and we have no legal power to stop Karen”. We feel betrayed and bemused by
all the domestic violence publicity, yet nothing is being done to save
Heather". Sen Cst Mason said no more.

Eventually a few well meaning people amongst the frauds tried to do what was
within their power to do (which was greatly appreciated, as those who rock
the local good ol boys boat around town usually pay a high price for their
honesty). Graeme Killalea, Juvenile Justice Wagga Office, enacted a non
association order preventing Karen from associating with Heather. Mr Killalea
could see what was happening to Heather. Of course the non association order
is a toothless tiger and without any real consequence if breeched. Karen
ignored it and picked Heather up in her car and facilitated Heather to her
son Jesse's unit and to generally use Heather for her own agenda. Thankfully
at last a local Magistrate (no longer at Wagga) also smelt a rat and placed
bail conditions upon Heather not to associate with Karen Prowse. All this was
ignored by Karen and she continued to sink her fangs into Heather. No action
was taken by any authorities.

Karen has used and abused Heather over the last 5 years ongoing. Karen has
violently assaulted Heather on many occasions, punching Heather in the head
and stomach and held knives to Heather's throat. Cst Gilbert Wagga Police
took a statement regarding two of the assaults. Karen manipulated Heather to
retract the statements by way of trickery and deceit, convincing Heather of a
nonsense “bad outcome” for someone not involved in the whole affair. Cst
Gilbert stated he knows Heather was assaulted by Karen, he viewed her
injuries and he stated he also knew Karen had manipulated Heather to withdraw
the statement. No action was taken. Karen and Jesse have taken Heather's mind
hostage by way of lies and manipulation ensuring Heather remains trapped in
their delusional world. Heather is an empty shell devoid of any self worth,
Heather has been destroyed in every way mentally physically and spiritually.
Heather displays Stockholm Syndrome.

An example of the lies and manipulation - Karen and Jesse lie to police to
frame up the narrative Heather is also an offender. Karen and Jesse routinely
threaten and carry out false reports to police ie Jesse will self inflict
wounds then ring police and say Heather did it, or they would drive Heather
out of her mind with relentless abuse until she loses her mind and then they
phone the police. Karen and Jesse will threaten Heather that something will
happen to her or her family. When Karen performed the home invasion at
Heather's mother's house, Karen was ranting about bashing Heather’s then 6
year old brother. Karen and Jesse will set the stage and mercilessly use
Heather as something to punish relentlessly (well the authorities have never
prevented any of this). Karen and Jesse have been manipulating the law to
destroy Heather and the law is compliant. Jesse takes all Heather's
social-security money. Heather is not allowed a phone. Heather is locked in
Jesse's unit and he holds the keys. Life Without Barriers have made it a
veritable jail installing crimsafe and plate glass windows all around for
Jesse's security? Jesse uses it as a jail for Heather. The violent home
invasion Karen Prowse perpetrated at Heather's mother's home went nowhere
Wagga Police "bungled" the case - Cst Mathews. Karen got away with it as
usual. Karen and her daughter Kiarna violently assaulted Heather's sister at
the check out at a local Woolworths store. Karen and Kiarna ran up when they
noticed Heather's sister and violently gouged her face and assaulted her. No
police action again.

Fast forward though relentless persecution and strife to present day.
Saturday 12.11.16, approximately lunchtime. Heather attended Wagga Wagga
Rural Referral Hospital with a black eye and a fractured eye socket. Heather
stated to a friend independently at the hospital that Jesse was responsible
for her alarming injuries. Heather was reportedly a beaten down empty shell.
Heather and Jesse were out front of the hospital and upon return Heather
reportedly had a blood nose. The cameras at the front of the hospital may
have captured this subsequent assault? No police charges again. No action.
Heather’s family contacted police to get some information on the situation.
They were accommodated the first time, but after a shift change Cst Todd
arbitrarily decided to remove the ‘concern for welfare check job’ the
previous officer had put on. So, the family know nothing of the welfare of
their loved one.

Heather's mother was recently accused of having a propensity to respond to
situations with violence in a court report for sentencing for the local Wagga
Court in relation to a minor matter. Police had no problem laying charges on
people where none should have been laid. Interestingly, when contemplating
the years of violence and injustice, Heather and her family have received but
Heather's mother has not once responded to these people with violence. No.
Heather's family have endured an ongoing unimaginable nightmare at the hands
of these social terrorists. The question to Mark Bolton is - why would you
write such a fraudulent and nefarious  court sentencing report? It is not
based in reality.

The reality is rather than respond with violence Heather’s mother has
contacted (largely a waste of time) many relevant Ministers of Government
about this abhorrent situation which local authorities allow to go on without
end. They too have a care-free attitude, unless its white ribbon day and the
contrived domestic violence talk is front and centre. In other words - theatre.

1. NSW  Attorney General Greg Smith - largely dismissive.

2. NSW Attorney General Brad Hazard correspondence via mail x 3 - unconcerned
attitude.

3.NSW Minister for Police Stuart Ayres - After corresponding with Wagga
Police , Mr. Nihall on behalf of Ayres, wrote back and declared no one is in
danger. Really ?

4.Minister for Age Care and Disability John Ajaka. Correspondence x 3.
Couldn't care less.

5. Multiple representations in writing to FACS, in person and on phone. Refused to
assist in any way.

6. Representations to Premier Mike Baird - no reply. Wonder if Baird's
daughter was in this situation he would ignore it? The political class and
moneyed class are excluded from these problems. They are looked after.

7. Family Link. A worker was fired after Representations of serious criminal
behaviour. Via a complaint to the Ombudsman.

8. Life Without Barriers - completely derelict of duty of care and
unprofessional in their conduct. They are compliant in Heather's suffering.
Repugnant.

9.Wagga Domestic Violence Advocates -  it is deemed too dangerous for them to
attend Jesse’s unit to help Heather.

10. Many other representations and nothing is being done. Zero action.

11. 2 weeks ago NSW shadow Attorney General ( Member for Liverpool, Labor)
was contacted with an urgent request to look in to this matter. A harrowing
tape of Heather describing years of abuse and how on that day Jesse had
bashed Heather around the head in the shower until she collapsed on the
shower floor and then Jesse urinated on Heather’s head. No police action that
day either.

Wagga Wagga Police use the standard line ‘if Heather wont speak to us we
can’t do anything’. Police know Heather is mentally destroyed from ongoing
serious abuse and suffering a type of Stockholm Syndrome as this has been
allowed to go on for 5 years while authorities watch on in silence. Heather
does tell the police on occasions and nothing is ever done. This is evidenced
in the recorded interview 2 weeks ago. Heather sees Karen and Jesse get away
with crime after crime etc. Its hardly reassurring to someone as fragile,
traumatised and destroyed in every way that the police can or will assist ?

No one knows what became of Heather on Saturday afternoon and seemingly no
one cares. So much for white ribbon day it’s soaked in blood !

Tuesday, October 18, 2016

AUSTRALIA FIRST TO BUILD A SPECIAL SYDNEY FORUM ON THE SYRIAN WAR, TERRORISM AND THE SYRIAN REFUGEE CRISIS

The Australia First Party will build a special Sydney forum on the Syrian War, terrorism and the Syrian refugee crisis.
The event will be held on December 17.
While our politicians are crying about the "dictator" President Assad in Syria killing "his own people" with the support of President Putin of Russia, about the "humanitarian disaster" and the "need for Australia to take its share of refugees", more and more Aussies are awakening to the truth.
The sick truth is that it is our 'Western allies' who have sponsored terrorism to bring down Assad in order to support Israel and serve other regional allies in the lead up to a confrontation with Iran. Our allies have supported ISIS and al-Qaeda when it suited them. Our allies seek war. And as for the refugees: they may return home, says Assad, when the war ends, to rebuild their broken country.
Our politicians are simply lying about what this war is about and where it all leads.
Our forum will address these issues with a raft of speakers. An announcement on speakers will be made next week.
Alert friends. This is an event you will not wish to miss.

WHY DO OPPONENTS OF AFP BELIEVE THE EUREKA FLAG REPRESENTS MULTICULTURALISM ?

As soon as the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) approved the Australia First Party’s use of the Eureka flag as its registered logo the cucks reacted like geese being tormented with a stick.
Dingbats from the far-left, the centre-left, and the union movement were triggered. They swamped the AFP Facebook page shaking their puny fists behind their keyboards and vowing to do all they could to reverse the decision. Many had serious conniptions. Nearly all vowed to fight the decision in the name of democracy. Ballarat MP Catherine King announced her intention to use the democratic process to introduce a bill to curb the AFP’s democratic right — as upheld by the AEC — to use the flag as their logo.
Australian government information sources state that 'it is argued' that the rebellion was a “key event” in “the development of Australian democracy and Australian identity” (www.australia.gov.au/about…/australian-story/eureka-stockade). However, in Peter Lalor’s 15-minute long speech there was no mention of democracy at all, only of defending “our rights and liberties”. In fact, Peter Lalor reportedly held no truck with democracy, fearing instead where ‘mob rule’ might lead. This was, after all, the decades after the French Revolution when heads rolled and blood flowed in a river through the streets of France like Burgundy. Instead, Lalor spoke of “rights”, but those rights he mentioned can only be the subject of speculation, as he did not expatiate on their nature at the time.
We take no issue with the idea of the 1854 uprising being instrumental in the evolution of Australian identity, but as history shows, there is no empirical truth in arguing that it was tied to the struggle for democracy.
You may ask ‘so what?’ Well, it is important because it represents the kind of revisionism employed by these multiculturalists in their rabid attacks upon the Australia First Party; imbuing this momentous event with intents and significance that were never true to either the times or when 30 miners sacrificed their lives on the Ballarat goldfields. Likewise, the Australian identity they have misused the spirit of Eureka to try and construct for their propaganda is no more the substance of fact either.
If the multiculturalists want to get into an argument with Australia First Party on the basis of “race” then they lose. They speak of a rainbow of ‘nationalities’ being present at Eureka with a sophist’s tongue, because while that was true, there were only two non-Whites among them: the rest of those present accord to AFP’s contention of Australian identity being distilled from a White European heritage.
There was: American, Australian, Canadian, Corsican, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Irish, Italian, Russian, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish, Swiss, and West Indian. There were indigenous folks present too.
Now, with the exception of the Jamaican and the African American (the Aborigines notwithstanding), this is a representative line-up of White Nationalism. The two “coloureds” were incidental and the type of concepts of societies predicated on “diversity” and “multiracialism” was simply non-existent. Slavery was abolished in England in 1883, but that was not a signal for the races to mix freely. Nor was there any African or West Indian communities to validate such ideas as being espoused by the cucks.
Moreover, the argument by unionists that Eureka signified the first significant organising of labour in the terms they mean overlooks the fact that these were prospectors and not workers. They were miners seeking fortunes; a distinction many never raise, dismiss as irrelevant, or contradict, but one that is salient.
We speak of the “spirit” of Eureka, and it is that ‘spirit’ which the AFP adopts. But just as those oppositional elements were have mentioned come stating their “rights” to the Eureka flag based on artificial notions so too is their perception of the AFP is based innuendo and assumptions. In fact, a reading of the party’s constitution makes it absolutely clear that under a nationalist government democracy will be key to shaping policy: it’s just that those contributing to the said democracy will not have been sourced from the four corners of the non-White globe with an eye to neoliberal exploitation and anti-White population renewal. They will be Australians, as shaped from the plucky White European stock that defied the tyranny of the British and their unjust taxes on the mining licenses at Eureka

Saturday, October 15, 2016

AUSTRALIAN PROPHET REVEALED!

With Australians now awakening that the Globalising Money Changers agenda of "open for business" in an "Asian Century" means mass unemployment, poverty, and dispossession, through our resources and assets pillaged for foreigners, and our communities saturated by 457 visa scabs, swarms of alien Third World immigrants and fake refugees, - a GREAT PROPHET from our heritage foretold of these troubles, and of the path to a future free from such a traitor class.


THE PROPHESY - OF 1879!


"I tell you that highway robbery is only in its infancy, for the white population is been driven out of the labour market by an inundation of Mongolians, and when the white man is driven to desperation there will be desperate times".
Ned Kelly - letter to Sir Henry Parkes.


AUSTRALIA FIRST PARTY stands unashamedly for Aussies in an "Australian Century", rejecting Chinese Imperialism; and the Asian Graveyard/ Globalising pox of the Money Changers and their paid politicians; - an Australia of national self- sufficiency, where our resources, manufacturing, and productive enterprise wealth is created, owned and shared by Australians to guarantee quality of life, and where Aussies own culture and identity, the essential bond of our European derived civilisation and lifestyle flourishes.


JOIN OUR AUSTRALIAN PEOPLES MOVEMENT TO SECURE A "REGIME CHANGE" AND TO TAKE BACK AN AUSTRALIAN FUTURE FOR YOUR FAMILY AND DECENDANTS


If you don't fight NOW - you will surely lose!


Australia First Party - Champions of a future for the Australian People !

THE AUSTRALIAN GREENS: AN IMPLICITLY WHITE MOVEMENT IN DENIAL

UNITED NATIONALISTS AUSTRALIA
As amusing a pastime as trolling the Greens supporters can be, there are some serious issues which we feel the need to bring to the attention of our readers.
Let us not beat around the bush here, the Greens and all they stand for are a movement of White people projecting and signalling White virtues to a White supporter base.
A perusal of the Greens policies and their appraisal through Nationalist eyes reveals much common ground, though we, of course, would take many of those ideas to their logical end, nationalization of key sectors of the economy obviously being part of Nationalism.
It’s obvious to our educated readership that the Greens platform would be much easier to implement in a closed society, with big government at the top providing the basic infrastructure and necessities for progress and prosperity, and a de-centralised, localised, “people’s democracy” model.
It’s a fact that many White Greens supporters are as captivated by the globalist monoculture and the trappings of capitalism as any other demographic, the struggle to separate them from the mainstream and bring about what we call the “secession of the mind” is real, we know that game well.
The Greens have a reputation among the fanatical, hard left types as mere “Tories on bikes”; an amusing slur, no doubt, but a perception based in reality.
Hence we understand the need for the Greens to include capitalist pop trivia, such as same-sex marriage and anthropogenic global warming in their agenda, though meeting people half way between the globalist monoculture and true emancipation has proven fruitless for other tendencies.
We wonder, the typical Greens supporter is probably all over gay marriage and the cult of global warming, they might have solar panels on their house, a rainbow flag sticker on their letterbox and ride a bike everywhere; but put if we put them on the spot would they be au fait with their party’s banking or labour reform agendas?
This liberalism and accommodation of aspects of the globalist, a capitalist program under the Di Natale leadership group appears to have totally alienated the more politically savvy, working class Greens supporters and, predictably, opened the door to bourgeois opportunists, rudderless nutcases and the self-obsessed scions of the “me generation”.
In the end, though, the Greens struggle, if we want to call it that, is one of White supremacy, albeit in a form which does not speak its name for fear of triggering a total break from the mainstream, capitalist networks.
Turning again to the Greens policies they are, for the most part, parochial, even Anglo-centric purely from the point of view that ideals of social justice, fairness, and equality of that character are uniquely White inventions.
The Greens are living a lie if they think that mass non-White immigration and anti-racism are in their long-term interests, to date they have made few inroads into migrant-heavy areas. Their bastions in the inner cities are actually reliant on newcomers NOT voting en masse, as immigrants overwhelmingly drawn to the major parties and form ethnocentric-blocs to stack branches with ghost members and dummy candidates.
It’s a fact, too, that the immigration program is currently rigged to favour an influx of wealthy, yet socially conservative Asians who will ruthlessly exploit the next, lower tier of the newcomer, the short term visa workers, and overseas students.
It is this subversive character of the Asian and Indian peoples which will be the undoing of the so-called “social justice” movements exemplified by the Greens. Non-Whites simply don’t give a damn about the Anglo-Saxon ideals of fairness and tolerance, their goal is the dollar and the prestige of climbing to the top in the globalist monoculture.
The Greens will either have to get real, get their hands dirty and start to behave like the gutter trash of the Liberal and Labor grass roots or become authentic dissidents and, at a minimum, an implicitly White movement.
We, Nationalists, are happy to meet the challenge of the Greens in a notional battle for the hearts and minds of White Australia.
To be sure we only see room for one party and one democratic people’s movement, namely ours; but the Greens already have one foot in the mainstream and one in the margins, we intend to apply all the pressure we can to make them jump one way or the other.
The Greens can be mainstreamers or dissidents, never both, if they choose the latter and make good their commitment to Anglo-Saxon values then they will only have recourse to their White supporter base.
For all their fine talk and importuning of minorities, they really have nothing to offer the migrants and non-White groups which can compete with the globalist, capitalist monoculture.
The Greens program, like the Nationalists', would require significant short-term pain and delay of gratification in the sense that the real goal is securing the posterity of our people, this is the very antithesis of the mindset prevalent among immigrants.

SYRIA; IT'S AN ILLEGAL INVASION

Interview with President Bashar Al Assad: “The West Doesn’t Accept Syria as an Independent Country… They are Supporting Terrorism”, It’s an Illegal Invasion


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XfaYuUMdjk&feature=youtu.be


On October 12, the President of the Syrian Arab Republic Bashar al-Assad gave an interview to reporter of “Komsomolskaya Pravda” Daria Aslamova.
Below is the complete transcript of the interview
Question 1: Thank you very much, Mr. President. It’s a big happiness for me, and I’m very proud. Okay, I will start from my questions. The situation in Syria become more dangerous and more unpredictable. Why? Because this conflict draws inside more participants and more players. For example, who do we have now in Syria in the war? Iran, Lebanon – I mean Hezbollah – Russia, Turkey, USA’s huge coalition, China shows interest. I mean, do you have any concerns that this conflict results in a third world war, or maybe it’s already beginning of third world war.
President Assad: If we want to talk about the problem, we have to talk about the crux of the problem, the source of the problem; it’s the terrorism. And no matter who’s interfering in Syria now, the most important thing is who is supporting the terrorists on daily basis, every hour, every day. That is the main problem. If we solve that problem, all this complicated image that you described is not a matter… I mean, it’s not a big problem, we can solve the problem. So, it’s not about how many countries interfering now, it’s about how many countries supporting the terrorists, because Russians, Iran, and Hezbollah are out allies, and they came here legally. They support us against the terrorists, while the other countries that you describe who are interfering, they are supporting the terrorists. So, it’s not about the number, it’s about the main issue that is terrorism


Second, it’s about world war three. This term has been used recently a lot, especially after the recent escalation regarding the situation in Syria. I would say what we have now, what we’ve been seeing recently during the last few weeks and maybe few months is something like more than cold war, less than war, a full-blown war. I don’t know what to call it, but it’s not something that has existed recently, because I don’t think that the West and especially the United States has stopped their cold war, even after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Journalist: Yes, it’s going on.
President Assad: You have many stages in that regard, and Syria is one of these important stages. You see more escalation than before, but the whole issue is about keeping the hegemony of the Americans around the world, not allowing anyone to be partner on the political or international arena, whether Russia or even their allies in the West. So, this is the essence of this war that you described as third world war that exists, it is a world war, but it’s not military war. Part of it is military, part of it is terrorism and security, and the other part is political. So, you’re correct, but in a different way, not only about Syria; Syria is part of this war.
Question 2: But you said… Syria became stage of this war. Why Syria? I mean, okay, you are big country, I mean, you have oil but not like Saudi Arabia. Why exactly Syria?
President Assad: It has many aspects. The first one, if you want to talk about the regional conflict, Syria has a good relation with Iran, and Saudi Arabia wanted to, let’s say, destroy Iran completely, maybe in the political sense and maybe in the material sense or factual sense, for different reasons. So they wanted Syria to go against Iran, that’s why destroying Syria could affect Iran negatively. That’s how I look at it. The West, for them, Syria and Russia are allies for decades now, and again, if we undermine the position of Syria, we can influence the Russians negatively. But there’s something else; it’s about the historical role of Syria. Syria has played that role in the region for centuries, it was always the hub of the geopolitical dynamic in the Middle East. So, controlling Syria – since the Pharaohs, before the Christ, they used to fight for Syria, the Pharaohs and the Hittites, this is historical basis. So, it has a role, geopolitics, the position on the Mediterranean, the society, because Syria is the fault line between the different cultures in this region; whatever happens in Syria will influence the region, negatively and positively, so controlling Syria is very important. Although Syria is small, it’s very important to control the rest of the region.
Second, Syria is an independent country, and the West doesn’t accept any independent country, whether Syria as a small country, or Russia as a great power. What’s their problem with Russia? Because you say “yes” and “no. You have to keep saying “yes.” That’s the problem with the West. So, that’s why Syria.
Question 3: Some Western media found that the war in Syria now became a straight conflict between Russia and USA. You agree with this?


President Assad: Yes, for a simple reason: when I said at the very beginning that the issue about the terrorism; Russia wanted to fight terrorism for different reasons, not only for Syria, not only for Russia, for the rest of the region, for Europe, for the rest of the world. They understand what the meaning of terrorism prevailing, in a certain way, while the United States have always, since Afghanistan in the early eighties, till this day, they think “terrorism is a card we can play. We can put on the table.”Journalist: Yes.
President Assad: You can put in your pocket, and put it on the table anytime. So, you’re talking about two different entities, two different ideologies, two different behaviors, two different approaches. That’s natural to have this conflict; even if there is dialogue, they’re not on the same page.
Question 4: Now, we have a new player in this region. Okay, I mean, it was Turkish intervention, and nobody speaks about this now, like nothing happened. What’s your opinion about the role of Turkey in this war, and about this intervention?
President Assad: If we start from today, it’s invasion.
Journalist: Invasion!
President Assad: This incursion is invasion, whether a small part, or large part of the Syrian territory; it’s invasion, against international law, against the morals, against the sovereignty of Syria. But what do the Turks want from this invasion regardless of the mask that they wear to cover their intention, real intentions. They wanted to whitewash their real intention that they used to support ISIS and al-Nusra-
Journalist: You think they don’t support now?
President Assad: No, they still support, but they came, they say “we are fighting ISIS, we’re going to have-”
Journalist: It’s ridiculous. What they tell, it’s ridiculous, when they tell “we are fighting with ISIS.” They made ISIS.
President Assad: Of course, exactly, they made ISIS, they supported ISIS, they give them all the logistical support and they allow them to sell our oil through their borders, through their territory, with the participation of Erdogan’s son and his coterie; they all, all of them, were involved in the relation with ISIS. All the world knows this. But with this invasion, they wanted to change the package of ISIS, to talk about new moderate forces, which have the same grassroots of ISIS. They move it from ISIS. They say ISIS were defeated in some areas because the Turkish bombardment and troops and their proxies in Syria expelled ISIS from certain areas. Just a play, it’s just a play for the rest of the world. The second one, because he wanted to support al-Nusra in Syria.
Journalist: He wanted to support al-Nusra.
President Assad: And he wanted to have – I mean, Erdogan in particular – wanted to have a role in the solution in Syria, doesn’t matter what kind of role. He felt that he’s isolated for the last year because of ISIS.
Journalist: But he still feels like Syria is Ottoman Empire. For him it’s just his territory.
President Assad: Exactly. His ideology is a mixture between the Brotherhood ideology which is violent and extremist, and the Ottoman Empire, or Sultanate.
Journalist: Ambitions, yes.
President Assad: And so he thinks with these two ideologies, he can make a mixture to control this region. That’s why he supported the Muslim Brotherhood in every country, including Syria. You are right.
Question 5: After the Russian plane was shot down by the Turks, Russia stopped relationships with Turkey. Now, after, okay, his excuses, we again… it looks like again friendship, tourism, diplomatic relations everything. Putin called this a “knife in the back” when this plane was beaten by the Turks. Do you think maybe we Russians make a mistake to trust Erdogan again after his betrayal?
President Assad: No, actually, I look positively to this relation.
Journalist: You look positively?
President Assad: Yeah, positively. Why?
Journalist: Why?
President Assad: We are talking about two parties, we’re taking into consideration that these two parties, again, they don’t see eye-to-eye, they are in different positions; Russia bases its policy on the international law, respecting the sovereignty of other states, and understanding the repercussions of the terrorism prevailing anywhere in the world, while the other party, the Turkish party, bases his policy on the ideology of Muslim Brotherhood; they don’t respect the sovereignty of Syria, and they supported the terrorists. So, you can see there’s polarization, each one is in the exactly or completely the opposite side. So, through this rapprochement, let’s say, between Russia and Turkey, the only hope that we have as Syria is that Russia can make some changes in the Turkish policy. This is our hope, and I’m sure that this is the first goal of the Russian diplomacy toward Turkey these days; in order to decrease the damage of the messing-up with the Syrian territory by the Turkish government. I hope they can convince them that they have to stop supporting terrorists, stop allowing the flow of terrorists and money for those terrorists through their borders.
Journalist: But for Erdogan, these terrorists are instrument of influence. He will never refuse from this instrument, it’s his people, and if he will try to fight with them, they will start to fight with him. I mean, he… it’s a big risk for him to refuse from sponsorship of terrorism, it’s a big risk for his power.
President Assad: Yeah, that’s why I didn’t say the Russians will change his policy; I said they will decrease the damage, because he – I mean, somebody who belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood’s violent and extremist and fanatic ideology cannot be a straight person, to be frank, and to be realistic. So, what you’re talking about is very realistic. I agree with you a hundred percent. But at the end, you have to try, you try; if he changed one percent, that’s good, if he changed ten percent, then that’s good. You don’t have to have the full change, and we don’t have this hope, we don’t raise our expectations a lot, especially with somebody like Erdogan and his clique, but any change in this moment, that will be good, and this hope, that we have I think the same that the Russians officials have this time, through this relation. And I think this is the wisdom of the movement of the Russian government toward the Turkish government, not because they trust this government, but they need good relations with the people, and that’s completely correct.
Question 6: For me, it’s a very strange thing. Daesh, ISIS, with their ideology, never threaten Israel, and Israel never threaten Daesh, ISIS. It’s like some kind of agreement about – maybe not on friendship – but neutrality. Why, you think, it’s like this? And what’s the role of Israel in this war?
President Assad: Not only ISIS, of course, or Daesh, not only al-Nusra; anyone, any terrorist who holds a machinegun and started killing and destroying in Syria was supported by Israel, either indirectly through the logistical support on the frontier, or sometimes by direct intervention by Israel against Syria in different areas in Syria. Why? Because Israel is our enemy, because they occupy our lands, and they look at Syria as enemy of course, and for them they think if they undermine the position of Syria and make it weaker as a whole, as society, as army, as state, that will prevent Israel from moving toward the peace, and the price of the peace is to give back the Golan Heights to Syria. So, for them, Syria will be busy with another issue now, it would be busy to talk about the Golan or the peace process, or even to do anything to get back its land. That’s why Israel is supporting every terrorist, and there’s no contradiction between Israel and any organization like al-Nusra or ISIS or any Al Qaeda-linked organization.
Question 7: Your army lost a lot of blood, it’s obviously, but on the other side, when I sit in Damascus and see in cafes a lot of young people who drink coffee from morning, and ask “who are these young men, why are they not on the front?” It’s students, it’s students. After this I see fitness centers full of young people, is very good muscles. What are they doing here? Send them all on the front! I mean, I don’t understand why didn’t you make this general mobilization of army? Like, we made this in Patriotic War, in general, when we had big war, we sent all men to front!
President Assad: What we have now is partial, let’s say, mobilization. Why partial? What is the meaning of partial? It’s not the highest level. The highest level of mobilization means for everyone to go to fight, to different, let’s say, military fronts. It means you won’t have anyone at the universities, you won’t have teachers at schools, you won’t have employees to do anything, even the trucks, the cars, will be managed by the government, and anything else that would be part of this war. That would be okay if this war will last for a few weeks, or a few months maybe, but for a war that’s been there for now nearly six years, it means the paralysis of the society, and the paralysis of the state, and you won’t win the war if you have a paralyzed society. So, you need to have balance between the war and between the basic needs of the society, the university, and the services that you should offer to the people. That’s why it’s crucial to make that balance. So, that’s our point of view.
Question 8: But, even your TV programs, I don’t understand Arabic, but when I watch this, it’s like it’s peace in country, little bit from being in about war, and after this about sport, about children, about schools. I watch this and think “oh my God!” In country I hear how mines explosions in city, like nothing happened. Maybe it’s too much, maybe people… if you want to push patriotism in people, you must explain to them every day, “guys, we’re in big war!” And that’s exactly what every country is doing, but I don’t like this picture of peaceful life. It don’t exist here!
President Assad: Our, let’s say, media are not disconnected from what’s going on, but you need again to have the balance between how much you need to have close-to-natural life, not completely normal life…So you need this balance. Of course you have many different points of view regarding the media, because media is about the perception ..If you don’t try to live this life, the terrorists will defeat you, because that’s their aim.
Journalist: We was living like this, when it was Great Patriotic War, all cities was empty, it was just women. Okay, doctors of course, some kind of teachers, but everybody was in the front. I will give you example from my family: four brothers was going to front with my father, and my father left school, in thirteen years, he was going to factory to make bombs. And, it was not normal. We would never win this war if we will not put all our men on front.
President Assad: Yeah, but when you talk about war, war is not only military; war is everything. The most important part of our war, not only terrorists, which is in parallel, or as important as the terrorist issue, is the economy. We are under embargo, so we have to do our best to keep this wheel moving forward.
Journalist: I understood.
President Assad: That’s why you need to put all your effort on this life, because without this natural life, you cannot have economy, if everyone wants to stay at home and just to live the life of the war, you don’t produce.
Question 9: Why you ask help of Russia almost in the most critical moment? Almost when everything was crashed, and even your life was in danger?
President Assad: First of all, there’s a traditional relation between Syria and Russia, and during the worst times of this relation, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the relation was good, it wasn’t bad. It wasn’t warm-
Journalist: That’s why you could ask help much more earlier.
President Assad: No, we asked for the help from the very beginning, but the escalation wasn’t as last year, because before that, the Syrian Army was moving forward, and our enemies – let’s put it in that term – our enemies, when they saw that we are moving forward on the ground, they started escalating by bringing more terrorists coming from abroad, more foreigners coming from more than one hundred countries. At the end, Syria is a small country, and even the population is not very big. So, we needed the help of our friends. Iran intervened, and Hezbollah, and Russia as a great power was very crucial in changing the balance of power on the ground. That’s why it was natural to ask for the Russian help. They helped us before; maybe not directly through the air forces, they used to send us everything, every logistical support we wanted for that war. But they live with us, we have the military experts living in Syria for four decades. They saw on the ground that during that time in 2014, the balance started changing in favor of the terrorists, with the support of the West and other countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Qatar, and the Russians were ready to intervene directly. That’s why we invited them, and because we trust them, of course. We trust their politics, politics based on morals before interests. We trust them because we know that they wanted to support us because they wanted to get rid of the terrorists, not because they want to ask us anything in return, and they never did. Till this moment, they never asked us for anything in return. All these factors encouraged me and the Syrian government and the institutions to ask for the Russian help.
Question 10: Before this so-called revolution, I’m sure you got offers from your present enemies; some kind of offers, some kind of deals. What they wanted from you? I heard, for example, Qatar wanted to make tube through Syria. Is it true or not? You got some kind of offer before?
President Assad: The offers started after the crisis.
Journalist: Ah-ha, okay.
President Assad: Because they wanted to use the crisis; “if you do this, we’re going to help you.”
Journalist: But what they wanted from you?
President Assad: But before the crisis, it wasn’t an offer; they wanted to use Syria indirectly. Not offer, they wanted to convince us to do something. The main issue was, at that time around the world, was the nuclear file of Iran. It was the main issue around the world, and Syria has to convince Iran to go against its interests, that time. France tried, Saudi Arabia wanted us at that time to be away from Iran with no reason, just because they hate Iran.
Journalist: But what about this tube? It’s real that they wanted to make gas tube through Syria?
President Assad: No, they didn’t talk about it, but because Syria was supposed to be a hub in that regard, of power in general, a tube coming from the east; Iran, Iraq, Syria, Mediterranean, and another one from the Gulf toward Europe. I don’t think the West will accept Syria – this Syria, Syria’s that’s not puppet to the West – it’s not allowed to have this privilege or leverage, it’s not allowed. So, we think this is one of the factors that they didn’t talk about it directly. After the war, the offer was directly from the Saudis; that if you-
Journalist: Directly from who?
President Assad: From the Saudis.
Journalist: From Saudis.
President Assad: If you move away from Iran and you announce that you disconnect all kinds of relations with Iran, we’re going to help you. Very simple and very straight to the point.
Question 11: You said in one of your interviews that this war is difficult because it’s simple to kill terrorists, but to kill ideology, much more difficult. And when I was speaking on the front with your officers, they told “look, how to fight with man who is not afraid to die?” For him it’s just pleasure to die because 72 virgins wait for him in Paradise, yes. And our people, of course, normal people, they are afraid to die. And already it’s morale spirit not the same, much more higher… terrorists have much more higher morale spirit. How to kill this ideology?
President Assad: You’re correct. If you talk about those fighters, ideological fighters, or terrorists, let’s say, who are fighting our army, the only way is to fight them and kill them. You don’t have any other way. They are not ready for any dialogue, and you don’t have time to make dialogue, you want to protect your citizens, so you have to kill them. But that’s not enough; it’s like regenerating… like video games; you keep regenerating anything you want. You kill one, you’re going to have another ten, so there’s no end to that issue. The most important thing is in the mid-term and in the long-term is to fight this ideology through similar but moderate ideology. I mean you cannot fight extremism in Islam with any other ideology but the moderate Islam. So, this is the only way, but it takes time, it takes young generations, to work on these young generations, to work on the means and to suffocate the money that’s being paid by the Saudi government and Saudi NGOs and Saudi institutions to promote the Wahabi ideology around the world. You cannot say “I’m going to fight this ideology” and at the same time allowing their sheikhs or imams promoting, at their madrasa, promoting this dark ideology. It’s impossible. And that’s what’s happening in Europe. You’re talking about generations that lived there for generations now, the third or fourth generation living in Europe, but they send us terrorists from Europe now. They never lived in our region, they don’t speak Arabic, maybe they don’t read Quran, but they are extremists, because they allowed the Wahabi ideology to infiltrate Europe. So, we need to deal with many things; you have to deal with the media, how to deal with their strong media that’s being financed by the petrodollar in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states to promote this extremism. How to deal with it? You need many aspects and many parallel paths at the same time. This is the only way you can defeat it. But dealing with the terrorists, this is the last part, and this is the compulsory part. You cannot avoid it, but it’s not the solution.
Question 12: Yes, but I always felt something mystic in this fighting for Damascus, and I understood after why there’s so many mercenaries come here. One professor of theology, Islamic theologist, explained to me that they really believe in the city “Dabiq,” it will be Apocalypse, and main battle between evil and good, and that’s why they’re now ready… because I was in Bosnia, for example; many mercenaries going through Bosnia, and they all tell “we are going to Dabiq.” For them it’s mystic meaning. How to kill this, I can’t imagine.
President Assad: Exactly, exactly.
Journalist: Because it’s big propaganda of this “go to Dabiq, go to Syria, because here it’s main place for Apocalypse!”
President Assad: A holy place now, for the fighting.
Journalist: Yes, it’s like a holy place.
President Assad: I mean, if you want to go to Paradise, you have to go through Syria. Maybe if you die somewhere else, you won’t go to paradise. This is part of the ideology. That’s why they-
Journalist: They are sure if they will die in Syria, they will go straight to Paradise?
President Assad: That’s how they think. Some of them, they think if they kill more innocents, they may have Iftar in Ramadan with the Prophet, for example. That’s how they believe. They wash their brains completely, so you cannot blame them, they are ignorant, most of them are teenagers, they’re being used.
Journalist: Yes, yes, sometimes children.
President Assad: Exactly. But it’s about the machine that’s been working for decades now to whitewash these brains and to spread this extremism around the Muslim world and the Muslim communities outside this Muslim world.
Question 13: Do you satisfy with results of Russian intervention for this last year? They really made something serious here?
President Assad: In brief, before that intervention, although there was this American alliance, so called “alliance” which is for me an elusive alliance, they did nothing, ISIS was expanding, ISIS and al-Nusra were expanding, they used to have more recruits, more recruitments. They used to have more oil to export through Turkey, and so on. After the Russian intervention, the same land under the control of the terrorists was shrinking. This is in brief. So, the reality is telling. Any other effect, I mean, is trivial. This is the main effect; they changed the balance on the ground not in favor of the terrorists.
Question 14: About Kurdish question, I was in Qamishli, and they want federation, they want to make federation. They said “our ideal model of state, it’s like Russia. Russia has many nationalities and they make Russian Federation. Why Syria cannot be a federation?” And honestly, nobody from Syrian Kurdish was speaking with me about separation or to make independent state. No, they told “we want to be in Syria, but we want autonomy.” You agree with this or not? Because they are really good fighters against ISIS.
President Assad: Let me clarify the different aspects of this issue. First of all, we cannot talk about a community, a full community in Syria, that it wants something, like talking about the Kurds or the Turks or the Arabs or the Chechens or the Armenians or any other community we have. So, we can talk about part of the Kurds that they need this, part, only part of them. The majority of them, no, they don’t ask for it. They never-
Journalist: I don’t speak about the Kurds in Damascus, of course they live here.
President Assad: Yeah, I mean even in the north, part of them talk about this. This is first. Second, when you talk about federalism or any other similar system, it should be part of the constitution, and the constitution is not owned by the government – the constitution reflects the will of the Syrian people. So, if they need to have a certain political system in Syria, they need to promote it among the Syrians. They cannot discuss it with me, even if I say “yes, that’s a good idea, I don’t mind” as President or as an official or as a government. I cannot give it to them, I don’t own it, I don’t own the political system in Syria. Everything should be-
Journalist: Like a referendum!
President Assad: Exactly, to have referendum by the Syrian people to say yes or no. Second, some people, they talk about Kurdish federalism in the north, regardless of what I talked about, about most of the Kurds that they don’t ask for this. Even if you want it, the majority in that area are Arabs. So how can you have Kurdish federalism while you have majority of Arabs?
Journalist: But you have contacts with them?
President Assad: Yeah, of course. We have dealing, we have negotiation, we always-
Journalist: You have negotiations with them?
President Assad: Of course, always, and we supported them during the war against ISIS. We sent them armaments, and your army knows all these details.
Question 15: But honestly, when I was traveling by your country, I don’t see any kind of opposition without guns, I mean, with whom you can speak? You have real partners for negotiations, or it is mission impossible?
President Assad: This is a very important question, but you have to define the word “opposition.” Now, most of the world used the word “opposition” about people who carry guns and kill people. You don’t call them opposition; “opposition” is a political term; it cannot be a military term.
Journalist: Yes, this is the problem, but everybody has guns. With who to speak?
President Assad: Exactly. Now, if you want to talk about political opposition, of course we have. We have figures, I don’t have names now, but we have figures. You can search for names. You have political currents or political movements-
Journalist: Which one? What are the names of this…?
President Assad: You have new parties, we can get you names, we have so many, I mean, not all of them have seats in the Parliament, for example, but during the crisis and even before the crisis, you have so many. We can bring you a list for all these, we have them. You have new parties who announce themselves as oppositions recently. Again, we can give you a list of all these, if I don’t want to mention which name, I can give you the list. But we have them now, but the question here if you want to make negotiation, that’s the crucial point of your question, it’s not about who I am going to make negotiations with; the question is about who is influential on the situation, who can change the situation? Now, If I am going to sit with all these oppositions, whether inside Syria or outside Syria, whether they are real patriotic oppositions or opposition related to other countries, not to the Syrian people, let’s presume that we are sitting with them, and we agreed upon anything, we said “this is good for the future of Syria.” The question is: who is going to influence the terrorists on the ground? We all know that the majority of those terrorists belonging to Al Qaeda-affiliated groups, ISIS, al-Nusra, Ahrar al-Cham, and other organizations. They don’t belong to any political movement, they don’t care about any ideology but their own ideology, the Wahhabi Ideology. So, even if we negotiate with the political opposition, we cannot change the situation. So that’s the most important part of the problem. So, you are correct; who I’m going to deal with?
Journalist: Yes, with whom?
President Assad: The most important is who’s going to change the situation with me? As a government, I have my means. We can change. We are fighting terrorists. What those oppositions can do? That’s the question. I cannot answer it. They have to answer it. They have to say “we can do this and we can do that.”
Question 16: All Western media take information about the situation in Syria from this strange organization “Syrian Observatory of Human Rights,” but I understood that it’s just a one-man band?
President Assad: One man living in London.
Journalist: I don’t understand this. I was shocked when I knew, I mean how they can use this like a source of information?
President Assad: Yes, because that’s what the West wants; they don’t need anything real. They need somebody to promote any information that suit their agenda, and they promote it as a real one, as a fact, and as you know now, most of the people in the West are brainwashed regarding what’s going on in Syria, and may be in Ukraine, I mean, the same in Russia; they tried to – and they succeeded – and brainwashed their public opinion, and this is one of the tools. So, it’s not the only one, they have many tools, similar tools like the White Helmets recently.
Journalist: What is… Who are they?
President Assad: Actually, they work with al-Nusra in the area that’s controlled by al-Nusra. How can you work in the same area if you are not under the control of al-Nusra? More importantly, many of their members – there are videos and pictures of them celebrating the death of Syrian Army soldiers, they were celebrating on their bodies-
Journalist: What was… not long time ago, you mean when America was bombing Syrian Army, you mean this case?
President Assad: No, no, in different areas, in Aleppo.
Journalist: In different areas.
President Assad: In Aleppo, you had fights, and they pictured themselves over the bodies of Syrian soldiers, the White Helmets with al-Nusra. So, this is changing of the package of al-Nusra under the word or under the title of White Helmet, that they are the good people who are sacrificing their life to help the others and children, and this emotional picture that would affect the public opinion in the West.
Journalist: And you even don’t know from where these pictures are?
President Assad: Sorry?
Journalist: Nobody knows from where these pictures?
President Assad: No, no, they don’t verify anything, it’s not important. Now, in the internet, you can find anything, you cannot verify anything on the internet. You just watch, you feel emotional because the picture in Syria it should be in black and white; the good people versus the bad army or the bad President or bad government or the bad officials, let’s say. This is the only picture they wanted to have in order to convince their public opinion that we should continue pressuring, that they are supporting the good Syrian people against their bad government, and so on. You know this propaganda.
Question 17: But what will give you liberation of Aleppo, in strategic point?
President Assad: Aleppo, we call it the “twin of Damascus” for many reasons. It is the second big city in Syria, Damascus is the political capital, while actually Aleppo is the industrial capital in Syria.
Journalist: But no industry now, and I was there, everything is crashed.
President Assad: Exactly. Most of the factories in Aleppo, they don’t work; they were stolen, they were taken to Turkey.
Journalist: But if you will take Aleppo, what will it change in the war?
President Assad: Because it is the second-
Journalist: Second city, but you can cut al-Nusra from-
President Assad: First of all, it has political gain, on the strategic level, political gain and national gain. Then, from the strategic point of view, military point of view, no, you don’t cut; it’s going to be the springboard, as a big city, to move to another areas, to liberate another areas from the terrorists. This is the importance of Aleppo now.
Journalist: Okay, it’s liberation, but what’s your next step? How to cut this connection between Turkey and Idlib? Because this is the main source, main stream of money, soldiers, everything.
President Assad: You cannot cut, because Idlib is adjacent to Turkey, it’s right on the Syrian-Turkish borders. So you cannot cut; you have to clean. You have to keep cleaning this area and to push the terrorists to Turkey to go back to where they come from, or to kill them. There’s no other option. But Aleppo is going to be a very important springboard to do this move.
Question 18: How many foreign mercenaries passed through your country for the last five years, approximately?
President Assad: No one can count, because we don’t have regular borders now; they don’t cross the borders regularly, of course, but the estimation through one of the German research centers that was published a few weeks ago, they talk about hundreds of thousands of terrorists.
Journalist: Hundreds of thousands?
President Assad: Hundreds of thousands. They talk about more than 300 thousand, which is, I don’t know if-
Journalist: More than 300 thousands?
President Assad: Yeah. I don’t know if it’s correct or not, or precise or wrong, but if you talk about hundreds of thousands, even if you talk about one hundred, it’s a full army. It’s a full army.
Journalist: It’s an army. It’s a full army.
President Assad: Exactly. That’s why you keep killing, but you still have recruitment coming from abroad. So, you’re talking about hundreds of thousands coming from different areas in the world, and this is very realistic; you have hundreds of thousands of terrorists around the world having the same ideology, the Wahhabi Ideology. That’s very realistic. This is not an exaggeration.
Question 19: I was speaking with your opposition in 2012 in Istanbul, with young people who told me “we want human rights, we want human rights.” It was secular normal people without beard who were, by the way, drinking beer in Ramadan. But just for few years, they became fanatics. This is strange for me, and there was completely secular. And, who is commanders in Daesh, in ISIS? It’s ex… ex-colonels, ex-majors from army of Saddam Hussein. They’re secular people, too. How this become army of fanatics? I don’t understand.
President Assad: Part of it is related to what happened in Iraq after the invasion in 2003, where the American army or the Americans in general control everything in Iraq, including the prisons, and the leader of ISIS and most of his entourage were in the same prison. So, ISIS was created in Iraq under the American supervision.
Journalist: It was maybe not ISIS, this period, but Al Qaeda?
President Assad: No, it was called IS, it wasn’t ISIS. It was “Islamic State of Iraq.”
Journalist: Islamic State?
President Assad: Because it wasn’t in Syria at that time. That’s why it was called IS. That was in 2006.
Journalist: 2006?
President Assad: 2006, of course.
Journalist: Already, it was Islamic State in 2006?
President Assad: Of course. In 2006, of course, before the withdrawal of the Americans. That’s why they played either direct role or indirect role in creating ISIS. Now, when it comes to Syria, when you talk about the very beginning of the problem before anybody was talking about al-Nusra or ISIS, they called it “Free Army” as a secular power fighting the government and the army. Actually, from the very beginning, if you go back to the internet and you have videos, you have pictures, you have everything, the beheading started from the very first few weeks. So, from the very, very beginning, it was an extremist movement, but they called it “Free Army.” But when it becomes bigger and bigger, and the beheading couldn’t be hidden anymore, they had to confess that there is al-Nusra, but actually it’s the same one; al-Nusra is the same one as the “Free Syrian Army,” the same as the ISIS. You have the same grassroots moving from area to area for different reasons. One of them is the ideology, the other one is out of fear, because if they don’t move from place to place, they may kill you. Third one, for the money. ISIS used to give highest salaries for a certain time, one year ago, two years ago, and before, so many of the al-Nusra and “Free Syrian Army” joined ISIS for the money. So, you have many different factors, but the basic-
Journalist: But, fanaticism?
President Assad: But the same basic, the same foundation of extremism, is the common thing between all these different names and organizations.
Question 20: Can I ask you a personal question?
President Assad: Yeah, of course.
Journalist: In 2013, when your life was in so big danger, when America already… almost started to bomb Syria, why you didn’t send your family to a safe place?
President Assad: How can you convince the Syrians to stay in their country while you ask your family to leave your country? You cannot. You have to be the first, in any term used regarding the patriotic, let’s say, headline. You have to be the first as a President; you, your family, anyone around you in the government, your staff. You cannot convince the people in your country that you can defend your country while you don’t trust your army to defend your family. So, that’s-
Journalist: I understood, I understood.
President Assad: That’s why it was natural. We never thought… I never thought about this, actually.
Journalist: Thank you very much for the interview.
President Assad: Thank you for coming to Syria.